Contrary Opinion Friday!

"highmodulus" (highmodulus) 04/17/2015 at 11:36 • Filed to: None

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Post your automotive contrary opinion! Have an opinion, like or dislike. Have at it. Here is mine.

I love, love, love the current BMW M5. Yes, the heavy one. Yes, the back seat is a bit tight. And yes, the new M3 sure does overlap it now in size while being much lighter and better on a track.

But, these are about to start coming off lease ! 2 years ago I got to drive one of these at the BMW 2 day track and road event for BMWCCA members. On the track it was a bit heavy, but the twin turbo V8 plus DCT meant it was happy to wag that tail all day long.

But it was on the road in the South Carolina mountain that the big girl really shines. Playing lead/follow with the BMW instructors the M5 ate up road like nobodies business. It loves corners, made lovely noises and basically begs you go full Ricky Bobby all the time. I went from "its for dentists, get an M3" to "someday my pretty, someday". So 2013+ M5's are actually really good M cars for the sort of driving 90% of buyers actually do. And that's my contrary opinion.

Sam > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:44

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I'm sticking to my usual guns.

I'm glad that DCTs are taking over.

Do-Rif-To > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:45

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As a car guy I want to love the Lexus G series but I just can't get past the backwards cap, selfie taking, youtube video commenting, date rapist stereotype. I just haven't met an owner that doesn't tick those boxes and I feel that it's ruining a great car for me.

bob and john > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:46

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I dont get the whole ONLY MANUAL HURR. Yes its nice. Its not always the best for the job.

All this "a car feels live, you can feel the road" is bullshit. If you want something that 'feels' the road, you get a motorcycle. You dont feel SHIT when your in a 2000 lbs cage.

what else....oh yea, I still think the germans make the best cars on earth and that interiors play a HUGE part in me deciding over a car. Doesnt matter what car, if the interior feels and looks cheap, I dont care for it. Makes me feel like they if they skimped here, they skimped else where in the car.

shop-teacher > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:46

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Pickup trucks should have column shifted automatics, and plaid bench seats!

And those damn kids need to get off my lawn!

E. Julius > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:46

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I'm pretty lukewarm on the Panther cars. I like the idea of them, but I'd never drive one. And they're all ugly as sin.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:46

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Heres mine. Two actually.

I do not like the LS engine. Every time I see an awesome car with an LS, I die inside a bit. Especially if its a Ford. Congratulations, you managed to build an amazing car and ruined it by putting that ugly ass thing in the engine bay. Way to be cookie cutter. You have a nice Ford hot rod? Put a Coyote in there.

As some one who builds and wrenches on cars, I do not like Mustangs and Camaros. Any shmuck who has a check book and a Year One catalogue can build one and they are fucking every where. Be unique, be some body.

And, breathe.

Nate-964 > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:47

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I'll go...I HATE LS V8 swaps into non-GM cars. I understand the pursuit of more power but to me the appeal of 240Zs, Mazda Rx7s, Porsche 944s and any other common platform swap is the light and small engine "spunk" for lack of a better word and represent the idea of slow car fast is fun. Also, I don't like LS V8 swaps in old Volvos or Mercedes Benzes. Why not get an old C4, C5, Camparo or GTO instead!!!!!!!!!

End of rant!

crowmolly > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:49

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1.) I miss the popularity of RWL tires and wish you could still get them on high performance rubber.

2.) If it's not an LS designated engine it's not an LS engine. It's a Gen III/IV/V, etc. Your LQ9 is not an LS engine.

jariten1781 > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:49

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Minivans are vastly superior utility vehicles than SUVs, trucks, and full sized vans 95% of the time for 99% of people. They're also better family haulers than SUVs, wagons, and large sedans.

Not flashy, but they're pretty awesome.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 11:49

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It is a big, menacing car. If my kids were large and I could only have one car, I'd consider it.

Short-throw Granny Shifter is 2 #blessed 2b stressed > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:00

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- Audi's designs are ugly and uninspired, especially in the S and RS trims.

- New BMW 2/3/4 series are uglier than 1/3/3 coupe, especially the weird pinched front end.

- Ford Fusion is still the best looking cheap sedan.

Prove me wrong

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:02

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1. A Corolla or Camry is waaaaaay less beige than a late 90's/early 00's Taurus or late 90's to 2013 Impala. Fact. Have experienced all. The Yota's aren't that bad. The bandwagon hate is caused because some people are salty about their cars unreliability.

2. I'd much rather spend less money on a new Tacoma than a new Colorado/Canyon. It's just so much more proven, and I can get a manual with 4WD. Plus it's smaller.

3. The Corvette Z07 is hideous.

4. Crossovers aren't that bad.

5. There is nothing wrong with bro trucks, as long as everything is properly adjusted(lights) and they aren't driven like shit.

6. Silver cars should be banned because 99% of their owners don't know that you should turn the lights on during periods of rain.

7. STOP SWAPPING LS MOTORS. Be original. They are becoming more boring than anything.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 04/17/2015 at 12:04

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The LS swap is the most unoriginal swap there is. Find something difficult.

Hans Kuiper > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:09

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I like hybrid cars. there I said it.

I mean, thinking as child myself, How cool is that your car has a silent spy mode up to 30MPH? and that it has lots of torque? with all sorts of buttons and lights that switches modes? and what about electric power boosts.

Yeah, that doesnt mean I like all the hybrids, but damn if some aren't really cool. *thinks of BMW i8*

RallyWrench > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:12

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I like the Porsche Panamera (just not the one I posted yesterday, mind).

I think the Pagani Hoohaha looks neat.

There's nothing wrong with a Toyota Camry.

The Prius has its place, and was a groundbreaking car.

BMW hasn't built a worthwhile car since about 2003.

Electric cars are great.

saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:20

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STOP CALLING CINNABON CINNABUN AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD , DON'T ORDER A CINNABUN AT ONE OF THEIR LOCATIONS. EVERYBODY DOES IT, EVEN LOUIS CK, BUT THE CHAIN BAKERY IS CALLED CINNA -BON AND THEY SERVE CINNAMON ROLLS . NEVER IN THEIR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE HAS THERE BEEN AN ITEM CALLED A CINNABON, AND ESPECIALLY NOT A FUCKING CINNABUN . YOU SOUND LIKE A GODDAM CHILD THAT CAN'T ARTICULATE ALL YOUR SYLLABLES. AND DON'T EAT AT CINNABON YOU LARD.

LongbowMkII > Do-Rif-To 04/17/2015 at 12:22

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Infiniti G?

Textured Soy Protein > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:38

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I love convertibles, structural rigidity be damned.

Trucks and SUVs that lack full-time 4wd (i.e. only have a part-time 4wd system with no center differential) are pretty dumb for on-road winter driving, and the fact that so many brand new trucks still lack center differentials is ridiculous.

Tinted windows mostly make sitting inside your car too dark even in broad daylight. What are you, a vampire?

Panthers are outdated, and never really were any good in the first place.

Old Volvos do nothing for me.

Saabs have bad steering, ropey shifters, and loads of torque steer. Nice seats though.

C4 Corvettes are garbage.

Vipers are claustrophobic.

The Camaro Z/28 is a great job of making a Camaro into a good track car but it's still a big heavy Camaro that you can't see out of.

Air-cooled 911s are my least favorite Porsche to drive based largely on the stupid wheelwells intruding into the stupid footwells making the stupid pedals have a stupid offset to the right and the stupid footrest too close to the stupid driver.

Noah - Now with more boost. > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:39

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I think the M4 looks good and sounds great. I would take one over an E92 M3 in a heartbeat. An E90 M3 however... yes please! I think the proportions of the sedan are far better than the lines of the coupe.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars 04/17/2015 at 12:41

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I starred you just because of your passionate cry regarding Cinnabon, of all things.

Noah - Now with more boost. > bob and john 04/17/2015 at 12:45

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I don't understand how it is that some car enthusiasts don't care about the interior. That is where you spend all of your time!! It has to be nice and if it's nice it's probably either Italian or German. Everything else is copycat material (i'm looking at you Japan)

saabstory | fixes bikes, breaks cars > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) 04/17/2015 at 12:49

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It really pisses me off.

6speedmanual > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:51

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This is probably going to be a fairly common one (IDK for sure, haven't read the other comments XD) but LS engine swaps are stupid. Also, I really like the Lamborghini Huracan. I don't care if the boys at TG think it isn't insane enough, I'd drive one if I was offered it.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 12:53

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1- I very much dislike M3's that aren't coupes (from when the M4 was the M3 because there was no 4 Series yet - now I just dislike all new M3's), yet I love the S/RS 4 and C63 Sedan and the coupe M3 and new M4 are some of my favorite cars
2- Miata's bore me
3- Boxster's bore me
4- I'd rather pay for a Japanese or German car than take a free similar American car
because I don't trust the build quality (post late 60's or early 70's I mean)
5- I very much want a 575M F1

Vicente Esteve > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 13:07

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I feel nothing for new M cars. They are meh to me.

I don't care for any "JDM" stuff. Stuff like the Toyota crown or soarer (I don't even know if thats right) are incredibly boring to me. But I do respect the people who like them and why they do.

I like all the Un-Porsche Porsches, including the first gen Cayenne.

Do-Rif-To > LongbowMkII 04/17/2015 at 13:10

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Oh god, what have I done? I knew something seemed wrong...

LongbowMkII > Do-Rif-To 04/17/2015 at 13:21

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Even though I was looking at sedans (a good amount of manual equipped ones), I still felt that hesitation. I still don't think it would have stopped me if I went that direction because Skyline yo! But I get it.

LongbowMkII > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/17/2015 at 13:28

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entry level German cars (3/c/a4 and down)don't have particularly nice interiors.

LongbowMkII > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) 04/17/2015 at 13:32

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you'd rather have an unreliable, objectively crap transmission as opposed to a gated manual?

That is a hot take.

Noah - Now with more boost. > LongbowMkII 04/17/2015 at 13:39

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What do you think is bad about them? They are of course a little cramped, and lack the features that their big brothers have, but fit and finish is generally still great.

LongbowMkII > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 13:45

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The 924 is the best looking front engined Porsche of all time.

The new mustang and C7 are boring and ugly, repectively.

The 2JZ is the MkIV supra's saving grace. Otherwise, meh.

The 3rd Gen eclipse is a nice looking car.

E. Julius > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/17/2015 at 13:46

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Depends on the trim/options really. A 3 or C with real leather, good looking wood trim, all that stuff can be a pretty nice place to be. A stripped out version is pretty junk though. I spent a fair amount of time in a lower level A4 and I preferred my dad’s Golf tbh.

E. Julius > Textured Soy Protein 04/17/2015 at 13:49

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I don’t get the convertible thing either. Not everybody tracks/autocrosses their cars. I don’t care how stiff your chassis is, I want the sun on my neck and the wind in my hair.

LongbowMkII > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/17/2015 at 14:02

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I’m not the type to pull out a caliper to test tolerances. As long as the buttons dont jiggle and the glovebox is square I’m not going to raise an eyebrow at a molding line on the inside of the door pocket. As far as longer term squeaks, rattles, etc ... I can’t really say as I haven’t had any long term experience with any new cars (when you largely have owned 100k+ used cars, those are par for the course). But I havent been won over by the initial interior quality of them. Exception was a B5 audi, I liked riding in one when I was younger.

Textured Soy Protein > E. Julius 04/17/2015 at 14:31

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I am not a track rat. I like fun cars. I enjoy driving quickly and safely and occasionally go bombing around on country roads. I also like the wind in my face.

I don’t have a convertible at the moment, but I did own a Miata for 4 years. Many of the people talking about how convertibles are bad for performance probably also talk about how great Miatas are.

Judging by the price differential between say, a Z4 M Coupe vs. Z4 M Roadster, it would appear I am in the minority.

bob and john > Noah - Now with more boost. 04/17/2015 at 16:33

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to be fair, lexus has really hauled their buts up lately. We have a A3 and a IS250 at our house. both LOVELY interiors. Lexus is a LITTLE nicer because it has power seats...but the audi has a panoramic sunroof.

Noah - Now with more boost. > bob and john 04/17/2015 at 17:03

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Yeah, some Japanese lux interiors are great! I like it when they produce interiors that are a little unusual instead of copying the latest e class/5 series.

wiffleballtony > highmodulus 04/17/2015 at 19:42

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Brown is a terrible color for a car.

Volvos as a whole are boring.

Teslas make no sense on their own.

What ho, Jeeves > highmodulus 08/27/2015 at 17:33

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I think multi-zone climate controls are a marketing trick, actually useless.